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Compare two similar parts to prove the idea vidually. The image on the right is from the alignment of the two tubes from the LRA data shown in the report above.<br><br>
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Compare two similar parts to prove the idea visually. The image on the right is from the alignment of the two tubes from the LRA data shown in the report above.<br><br>
 
This first part has 4 inch straights for every straight.<br><br>
 
This first part has 4 inch straights for every straight.<br><br>
 
Note that all the tangent and midpoints fall within the tolerance envelope.<br><br>
 
Note that all the tangent and midpoints fall within the tolerance envelope.<br><br>

Revision as of 19:26, 10 January 2017

Vtube-laser logo 1.96.png This page explains the major limitations of using bender data for qualifying tube shapes.

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What is Bender Data?

Bender data is the data used to setup tube bending machines. Usually, bender data has at three major columns of data - the LENGTH between bends, ROTATION planes between bends, and BEND ANGLE columns. These columns can be used to define the shape of a tube and setup a tube bender.

The three columns are referred to in many different ways by different bender manufacturers and software developers.

  • "LRA" or "LENGTH, ROTATION, ANGLE" = VTube and Supravision

  • "YBC" = Eaton Leonard Standard Axes, BendPro Controls

  • "PRB" = MiiC

  • "FRB" or FEED, ROTATE, BEND = CNC Bender ProControl for SMT

  • "XYZ" = Pedrazzoli, BLM

  • "FPB" = Chiyoda, KEINS, and COMCO

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The Limitations of Bender Data for Qualifying Tube Shapes

The tube fabrication industry rarely uses bender data to qualify part shapes because doing that requires the use of angles in the qualification.

There is the major problem with using angles for qualification of tube shapes: Properly qualifying tube shapes with the angules in the bend data is a process that is always dependent on the magnitude of the lengths between bends.

Illustration of the Limitation

Look at the bender data on the right. The two sets are not the same because I've made the MEASURED rotations to be exactly one degree off of the nominal or MASTER data.

Try to answer this question: Given a tolerance envelope of 0.1", does this part qualify or not?

Unless you can perform 3D trigonometry mentally on-the-fly, the answer isn't obvious. Even if we guess the answer, we can not accurately guess at what tolerance envelope value the part would be considered acceptable.

It's easy to see the limitation of using bender data to tell us if a part shape falls within the tolerance envelope.

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Demonstrate the Problem of Qualifying with Angles

Compare two similar parts to prove the idea visually. The image on the right is from the alignment of the two tubes from the LRA data shown in the report above.

This first part has 4 inch straights for every straight.

Note that all the tangent and midpoints fall within the tolerance envelope.

VTL image 4 inch straights.png


This second image shows the part with IDENTICAL ANGLES - but the two middle straights are lengthened to 10 inches between bends.

The part is no longer within tolerance.

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The Same Data In Reports

The same tangent data can be shown in the reports like this.

Some customers prefer to modify the report to show only their critical data. For example, they may remove the midpoints or the end angles from the reports(which can be done by changing the report templates).

(For those with active VTube Software Maintenance Plans: We are happy to help you modify the report templates if you request it.)

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How to Understand the Tangent Data

The image on the right shows the visual representation of the chart and report above. The deviations in the grid match the part in the image. The part is made transparent so that you can see the two centerlines inside the tube. (It's easy to make parts transparent by setting the transparency value about 0.75 inside the Parametric Tube control menu under Models.)

In the image below shows how the distance T1d is measured in the second straight:
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In this case, the T1d value is 0.9mm for straight 2.

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How to Understand the End Point Deviations

Automatic Internal Trimming of End Points for Shape

Even though the end points are not tangents, we can still use them in the chart because they qualify the part the same way that tangent points do.

A key in understanding the T1d of straight one and the T2d of the last straight is to remember that the deviation is not the same as how long or short the straights are relative to the master tube shape. See the illustration on the right to understand why.

The MASTER to MEASURED end point deviation in the Tangent grid is 1.9mm. The measurement is the distance between the two lines at the corresponding end points - as if the MEASURED WERE TRIMMED.

(The Measured part is the pink part. The Master part is white.)

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Untrimmed End Points for Lengths

However, the end length is 90.2mm too long.

In this application, the customer bent the part 90mm too long on purpose in order to give the bend arm clamp die enough material on the first straight to grip.

Notice that, even though the part is significantly too long, the BEST FIT algorithm didn't use the actual measured end point in the alignment. The alignment was based on the trimmed point on the measured centerline that was nearest the master end point.

So, in this case the part shape in space is qualified - but it needs trimming by 90.2mm to also qualify the end length (another critical qualifier).

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Typical Industry Tangent Point Tolerances

In working with thousands of customers over the past few decades, we've seen some trends in accepted envelope deviation tolerances. Here are what we commonly see:

Aerospace and Automative Fluid Lines

Diameter Range

Envelope Tolerance

12.7 mm (0.5 inch) diameter tubes or less

+/- 1 mm (0.039 inches)

Greater than 12.7 mm (0.5 inch)

+/- 2 mm (0.078 inches)

Automotive Exhaust Pipes

Diameter Range

Envelope Tolerance

50 mm to 76 mm

From +/- 2 mm to +/- 3 mm

76 mm to 102 mm

+/- 3 mm

Larger then 102 mm

+/- 3 mm or greater

Shipbuilding

Diameter Range

Envelope Tolerance

All Diameters

+/- 6 mm


HVAC

Diameter Range

Envelope Tolerance

All Diameters

+/- 2 to +/- 3 mm

Structural Tubes (Frames)

Diameter Range

Envelope Tolerance

All Diameters

+/- 2 to +/- 3 mm

Tighter Tolerances

Sometimes customers will required +/-0.75 mm - but this is very rare. We've never seen tube shapes that must be qualified with a deviation tolerance of less than +/- 0.75 mm.

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